Comments on: The problem with Tony Robbins http://pinds.com/2008/02/25/the-problem-with-tony-robbins/ my personal blog about entrepreneurship and tech stuff Thu, 04 Feb 2010 16:33:28 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: messels http://pinds.com/2008/02/25/the-problem-with-tony-robbins/comment-page-1/#comment-1729 messels Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:58:00 +0000 http://pinds.com/2008/02/25/the-problem-with-tony-robbins#comment-1729 hey lars! great post. i've been wondering and grumbling about these self-help gurus for some time. i got on the "improve myself kick" (which isn't a bad thing!) about...3 or 4 years ago now. i was working in sales (as i still) and really not making enough money (to survive). a manager suggested a few books and i loved the really great ones. some of the others are "okay" but one author in particular really gets my blood boiling: jeffery gittomer. i'm not sure if he's like the tony robins of sales or what but he always has a new product for people to buy. he spouts off platitudes about this and that and why "you suck" and he's "right." for a guy selling books, he's doing pretty well BUT i feel like it's never really advice that a person didn't know already or is actually applicable in sales now...what was he selling back before computers or something? i think he's been a "sales author" for longer than he was working in acutally sales... anyway, i still really like _think and grow rich_ by neapolean hill. good stuff to think about. i've also listened (friend gave me the mp3s) to brian tracy. he's along the same lines of mr. hill w/ thought etc being really powerful in shaping actions and choices... cheers! hey lars! great post.

i’ve been wondering and grumbling about these self-help gurus for some time.

i got on the "improve myself kick" (which isn’t a bad thing!) about…3 or 4 years ago now. i was working in sales (as i still) and really not making enough money (to survive). a manager suggested a few books and i loved the really great ones. some of the others are "okay" but one author in particular really gets my blood boiling: jeffery gittomer. i’m not sure if he’s like the tony robins of sales or what but he always has a new product for people to buy. he spouts off platitudes about this and that and why "you suck" and he’s "right." for a guy selling books, he’s doing pretty well BUT i feel like it’s never really advice that a person didn’t know already or is actually applicable in sales now…what was he selling back before computers or something? i think he’s been a "sales author" for longer than he was working in acutally sales…

anyway, i still really like _think and grow rich_ by neapolean hill. good stuff to think about. i’ve also listened (friend gave me the mp3s) to brian tracy. he’s along the same lines of mr. hill w/ thought etc being really powerful in shaping actions and choices…
cheers!

]]> By: Strider http://pinds.com/2008/02/25/the-problem-with-tony-robbins/comment-page-1/#comment-1730 Strider Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:58:00 +0000 http://pinds.com/2008/02/25/the-problem-with-tony-robbins#comment-1730 I'm actually a huge fan of Tony's, and I believe a lot of his techniques actually work. But I agree with you that a key to life is learning the mental skills to being at peace and happy with life as it is, studies prove external changes have very little long-term effect on your happiness or sense of well being. That said, being complacent and non-active is dangerous and unethical when there are so many problems in the world that need to be worked on by caring, capable people. So we still need the most powerful get-things-done tools available. I think the real short-coming to Tony's stuff (and to most self-help) is that it's a huge dump of strategies all at once from a book, tape or seminar, you get all pumped up, but then there's no follow-through. Life coaching can help with that, but it's expensive. I think the future is in things like www.goaltribe.com that gives you a step-by-step long-term process that keeps you motivated and linked to 'allies' that hold you accountable and help you succeed. I’m actually a huge fan of Tony’s, and I believe a lot of his techniques actually work. But I agree with you that a key to life is learning the mental skills to being at peace and happy with life as it is, studies prove external changes have very little long-term effect on your happiness or sense of well being.

That said, being complacent and non-active is dangerous and unethical when there are so many problems in the world that need to be worked on by caring, capable people. So we still need the most powerful get-things-done tools available.

I think the real short-coming to Tony’s stuff (and to most self-help) is that it’s a huge dump of strategies all at once from a book, tape or seminar, you get all pumped up, but then there’s no follow-through. Life coaching can help with that, but it’s expensive. I think the future is in things like http://www.goaltribe.com that gives you a step-by-step long-term process that keeps you motivated and linked to ‘allies’ that hold you accountable and help you succeed.

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